Comments on: What’s So Civil About War, Anyway

By: kailryu

kailryu — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 02:52:25 +0000

Like it – the whole Civil War left a dirty feeling in my mouth as it was pretty stupid for them all to fall into those two camps and what you propose makes much more logical sense.

Also, it has been the case for me the New Avengers: The Initiative is the best Marvel title since Civil War and this pretty much explains why.

I really hate the way that the New Warriors got crucified for Nitro’s destruction of Stamford too – yes, you heard me right, NITRO’s destruction of Stamford.

Almost nobody stood up for the New Warriors and Speedball was pretty much expected to accept blame with all that ‘baby-killer’ crap. Made me want to puke after reading it for months on end.

By: Setsuna D

Setsuna D — Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:01:22 +0000

Civil War is just the fact that marvel’s simply saying “we can’t compete with DC anymore and we’ve run out of Ideas since 2002″ and I’m saying this because I used to be a marvel zombie,I sometimes read marvel when it’s good but I’m mostly a DC convert

Don’t get me wrong there’s still a very few good marvel books,but since Quesada took over it’s been downhill since,they changed the established characters into their movie counterparts and also fucking up comic book adaptations (the only acceptable good marvel movies are X2 and Spider-Man 1 & 2 which they had a a good plot that is aceptable to even the most die-hard marvel zombie).

Also with Spider-Man revealing his identity to the world has -in my opinion- killed the magic and the myth of the super-hero and his/her secret identity,of course the reader knows that clark kent and superman are both the same person,but what makes it believable in the story in how the hero deals with a double life,Spider-Man (depends on the writer who writes the title) always has a dilema of how to deal with it..for those who don’t know what I’m saying or the point I’m trying to make pick up Identity Crisis from DC(best story I’ve ever read) in which explains the reason why heroes wear the mask or pick up a cape and go risk their lives and their loved ones in the process..

To Marvel I say this: FUCK YOU!!! STOP TURING YOUR CORE CHARACTERS INTO THEIR MOVIE COUNTERPARTS,STOP WITH DOING LIKE 10 X-MEN TITLES IN ONE MONTH THAT ONLY 1 OR 2 TURN OUT TO BE GOOD,IF YOU’RE GONNA BRING BACK SOMETHING BRING BACK THUNDERSTRIKE! AND MAKE MORE COSMIC TYPE OF STORIES AND ALSO MORE OF BETA RAY BILL!!!! STOP TRYING TO BE LIKE DC….AND FOR THE LOVE OF JACK KIRBY PLEASE STOP BRINING ROB LIEFELD BACK OVER AND OVER AGAIN! FUCK YOU QUESADA,FUCK YOU LIEFELD AND FUCK MARVEL!

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

By: Wanderer

Wanderer — Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:24:56 +0000

Ultima: yeah, the Civil War in question wouldn’t be until the last couple of issues, when it’d start to look like America’s Superheroes vs. America’s Government in the brawl for it all. I’d be in interviews saying things like, “Just wait, you’ll see the damn civil war.”

Mac: the entire point of using the Runaways in that role is because they’re inexperienced. It’s advertising a critically-lauded but frequently-underselling book while simultaneously using the characters’ histories in the service of the larger story.

Onimaru: You’d more or less have to delve into the ’70s and ’90s for C-listers at Marvel who Bendis and company haven’t already brought out of retirement (such as the third-string New Warriors, the Slingers, or the international low-budget superheroes from the original Contest of Champions), or else delve into the villain population.

…or reintroduce the Skull Fucking Kill Krew. God knows they wouldn’t register.

One of the interesting things about Bendis-era Marvel, and Civil War in particular, is that they’re bringing so damn many characters out of mothballs that I really can’t think of any underused characters in the MU right now. My list used to read something like Dakota North, the Daughters of the Dragon, Shang-Chi, Monica Rambeau, and the Two-Gun Kid, but…

By: Onimaru

Onimaru — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:23:26 +0000

That’s a much more interesting, sensible storyline…but you gotta admit, kinda lacks the pro wrestling aspect of top tier superheroes fighting against each other that Civil War does.

Also: does Marvel even HAVE any “C-listers” that are up for grabs? Luke Cage and Spiderwoman are on the Avengers (were?), there’s a new Alpha Flight with USAgent and Beta Ray Bill, Ms. Marvel has her own book, as does Moon Knight, and all those weirdos in Heroes for Hire…

I definitely agree about bringing the Livewires back though

By: Little Mac

Little Mac — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:34:41 +0000

Hey, Wandy!! Long time no speak! ;-)

Good article. I argee on all of it, though I really can’t see using the Runaways in such a key/valid role. They just don’t have the experience for something like this. Luke Cage would be a better choice than them. He is almost underused in this storyline.

The main storyline, all I got to see is if you were going the route they went,(Thor Clones. Nazi Det. Camps.), it needed to be at least a 10 to 12 part series and this issues should have been issue 10. This issue was just premature and dumb. It just makes the pro-reg side look insane. The anti-war side really needed to look like they were winning before the Idiotic clones/Stulag appears. Just insane.