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		<title>By: david brothers</title>
		<link>http://www.4thletter.net/2007/07/trick-daddy-dollars/comment-page-1/#comment-16183</link>
		<dc:creator>david brothers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 05:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look at it kind of like this.

You could say that the trend of self-disrespect in pop culture started in the &#039;70s with the rise of blaxploitation films. They featured black actors, but the directors, writers, and producers behind them were often white. From there, we move quickly into music and a pattern that repeats itself up to the modern day.

This stuff was pitched as realistic, ground-breaking, and most of all, &lt;i&gt;cool&lt;/i&gt;. &quot;This is what black men are like,&quot; they said. &quot;This is right and cool.&quot; Cause and effect. It took hold because everyone wants to be cool. You could hear &quot;Go shawty, it&#039;s ya birthday&quot; on a non-black playground back when In Da Club was a big single.

Parents can&#039;t really contend with the sensory overload we exist in today. One person saying &quot;No&quot; amongst a sea of people saying &quot;yes&quot; doesn&#039;t mean much of anything any more.

Put another way-- most people chase fads, few change them.

So, when you&#039;re conditioned to feel like something is right and good and cool for a couple generations, that sort of thing is going to stick. You can&#039;t just get rid of it by saying &quot;This is bad, and demeaning.&quot; If it was that easy, American would&#039;ve have had slaves for so long.

If you look at any movement, it didn&#039;t get going just on the spur of the moment. There were factors that led up to the change. The Black Panthers grew up out of a community wanting to protect itself from police brutality. The civil rights movement grew out of decades of mistreatment.

This isn&#039;t to suggest that no one is responsible for this-- not at all. But, it isn&#039;t quite as simple as &quot;black people embrace the stereotype.&quot;

To link it back to the Gor thing-- it isn&#039;t only a bunch of dudes participating in this creepy Gorean thing. There are women consenting to being treated like cattle. To be quite frank, all parties involved should know better, but they&#039;ve chosen to embrace something negative for whatever reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look at it kind of like this.</p>
<p>You could say that the trend of self-disrespect in pop culture started in the &#8217;70s with the rise of blaxploitation films. They featured black actors, but the directors, writers, and producers behind them were often white. From there, we move quickly into music and a pattern that repeats itself up to the modern day.</p>
<p>This stuff was pitched as realistic, ground-breaking, and most of all, <i>cool</i>. &#8220;This is what black men are like,&#8221; they said. &#8220;This is right and cool.&#8221; Cause and effect. It took hold because everyone wants to be cool. You could hear &#8220;Go shawty, it&#8217;s ya birthday&#8221; on a non-black playground back when In Da Club was a big single.</p>
<p>Parents can&#8217;t really contend with the sensory overload we exist in today. One person saying &#8220;No&#8221; amongst a sea of people saying &#8220;yes&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean much of anything any more.</p>
<p>Put another way&#8211; most people chase fads, few change them.</p>
<p>So, when you&#8217;re conditioned to feel like something is right and good and cool for a couple generations, that sort of thing is going to stick. You can&#8217;t just get rid of it by saying &#8220;This is bad, and demeaning.&#8221; If it was that easy, American would&#8217;ve have had slaves for so long.</p>
<p>If you look at any movement, it didn&#8217;t get going just on the spur of the moment. There were factors that led up to the change. The Black Panthers grew up out of a community wanting to protect itself from police brutality. The civil rights movement grew out of decades of mistreatment.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t to suggest that no one is responsible for this&#8211; not at all. But, it isn&#8217;t quite as simple as &#8220;black people embrace the stereotype.&#8221;</p>
<p>To link it back to the Gor thing&#8211; it isn&#8217;t only a bunch of dudes participating in this creepy Gorean thing. There are women consenting to being treated like cattle. To be quite frank, all parties involved should know better, but they&#8217;ve chosen to embrace something negative for whatever reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.4thletter.net/2007/07/trick-daddy-dollars/comment-page-1/#comment-16181</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;know, I&#039;m going to risk looking like a well-meaning-but-ignorant middle class white guy (which, in fact, I may well be) and say something.  I think part of the problem with racial stereotyping is the eagerness with which a subset of that ethnic/cultural group consumes and embraces that stereotype.  As a grad student in a mostly-undergrad dorm at the University of Houston, I see a LOT of blacks and Latinos.  A lot of them are boring middle-class types, but a lot of them also seem to have been taken wholesale from the Offensive Stereotype Style Guide.  Not so much fashion as attitude, speech patterns, etc.  I&#039;ve seen SO many kids who practically aspire to be the Hustle and Flow guy, working on English Lit and engineering degrees while their lives are dedicated to &quot;bitches and weed&quot; that it kind of melts my outsider mind.  Unfair or not, it becomes difficult not to equate the surface aspects of that stereotype with the more unpleasant inner ones--I simply don&#039;t care to know the man who thinks it&#039;s okay to stand in the hall on the phone and yell &quot;They&#039;ll be right over, they gonna grab they (racial epithet beginning with N, plural) and some bitches and then they comin&#039; over hurr.&quot;  (Exact quote)  I don&#039;t know how much of it is the white folks who write the checks poisoning the culture with pimps-and-crack-and-money-and-death shit, and how much is people making a conscious decision that that shit is acceptable, worthwhile entertainment--I have to think that with either one of those taken out of the equation, the other half would falter.  But in the end, I just know that I want to stay the fuck away from the kid down the hall who yells about &quot;respec&#039;&quot; while wandering around the commons area shirtless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;know, I&#8217;m going to risk looking like a well-meaning-but-ignorant middle class white guy (which, in fact, I may well be) and say something.  I think part of the problem with racial stereotyping is the eagerness with which a subset of that ethnic/cultural group consumes and embraces that stereotype.  As a grad student in a mostly-undergrad dorm at the University of Houston, I see a LOT of blacks and Latinos.  A lot of them are boring middle-class types, but a lot of them also seem to have been taken wholesale from the Offensive Stereotype Style Guide.  Not so much fashion as attitude, speech patterns, etc.  I&#8217;ve seen SO many kids who practically aspire to be the Hustle and Flow guy, working on English Lit and engineering degrees while their lives are dedicated to &#8220;bitches and weed&#8221; that it kind of melts my outsider mind.  Unfair or not, it becomes difficult not to equate the surface aspects of that stereotype with the more unpleasant inner ones&#8211;I simply don&#8217;t care to know the man who thinks it&#8217;s okay to stand in the hall on the phone and yell &#8220;They&#8217;ll be right over, they gonna grab they (racial epithet beginning with N, plural) and some bitches and then they comin&#8217; over hurr.&#8221;  (Exact quote)  I don&#8217;t know how much of it is the white folks who write the checks poisoning the culture with pimps-and-crack-and-money-and-death shit, and how much is people making a conscious decision that that shit is acceptable, worthwhile entertainment&#8211;I have to think that with either one of those taken out of the equation, the other half would falter.  But in the end, I just know that I want to stay the fuck away from the kid down the hall who yells about &#8220;respec&#8217;&#8221; while wandering around the commons area shirtless.</p>
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		<title>By: gloss</title>
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		<dc:creator>gloss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant response on your part. Kudos.

As to the OP: *sigh* Injustice isn&#039;t an either/or, zero-sum game. I thought we&#039;d figured that out by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant response on your part. Kudos.</p>
<p>As to the OP: *sigh* Injustice isn&#8217;t an either/or, zero-sum game. I thought we&#8217;d figured that out by now.</p>
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		<title>By: The Schmendrick</title>
		<link>http://www.4thletter.net/2007/07/trick-daddy-dollars/comment-page-1/#comment-16173</link>
		<dc:creator>The Schmendrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She had a point until that last paragraph. Then she shot herself in the foot. :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She had a point until that last paragraph. Then she shot herself in the foot. :/</p>
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		<title>By: A.o.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.4thletter.net/2007/07/trick-daddy-dollars/comment-page-1/#comment-16166</link>
		<dc:creator>A.o.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 05:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was physically unable to read that blog you linked.  One of the worst presentations I have ever seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was physically unable to read that blog you linked.  One of the worst presentations I have ever seen.</p>
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