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	<title>Comments on: Weekly reviews &#8211; 02/14/08</title>
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		<title>By: Dane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 04:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bane&#039;s characterization has been inconsistant in the past, but Tieri had this whole arc written out ahead of time, so it&#039;s weird to think Tieri was all of a sudden retconning him.  I think Tieri is making Bane the character people wish he was again, which is admirable.  

But yeah, I got the Gotham Underground issue today, and a few others.  This is arc and issue great step up from War Games, so I don&#039;t really mind if the concepts are similar.  I will say I saw Tieri talking about having the Joker in this scene, but I was definately underwhelmed.  He just acted like a dick and served as a plot vehicle to get the Penguin to play ball with the government.  Okay, whatever.  Tobias Whale is still a great (new?) character, and the villains are being handled very well (but Two-Face and Joker are a bit shaky).  I&#039;m more wait-and-see with Johnny Stitches; he reminds me too much of Jigsaw right now.  And while I haven&#039;t read a lot of Tieri&#039;s stuff, he&#039;s still keeping the plot moving enough so I care what&#039;s going on.  Plus, I like it when the mob is an actual threat in Gotham, so that makes this story work for me.  

And I agree that &quot;Bruce Wayne is the mask&quot; idea is played out, but I&#039;m not really seeing that in this series.  He&#039;s been Matches Malone for most of the series, right?  Whenever I read the caption boxes, I even hear him out as  Bruce Wayne: Detective, and not Batman: Asshole, and that says something. 

Moving along, I got the latest Wonderwoman comic, and you&#039;re review is pretty spot on.  Simone really captures Wonder Woman (or at least what I think Wonder Woman is about, I&#039;m by far not a regular reader of this series), but man, it still didn&#039;t do much for me.  I find it odd that Simone felt the need to bust out Nazis AND gorillas, which are half of DC&#039;s staples right there.  Both elements seemed to have had little consequences to the conclusion.  I&#039;m not angry I bought this arc, but I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll continue buying it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bane&#8217;s characterization has been inconsistant in the past, but Tieri had this whole arc written out ahead of time, so it&#8217;s weird to think Tieri was all of a sudden retconning him.  I think Tieri is making Bane the character people wish he was again, which is admirable.  </p>
<p>But yeah, I got the Gotham Underground issue today, and a few others.  This is arc and issue great step up from War Games, so I don&#8217;t really mind if the concepts are similar.  I will say I saw Tieri talking about having the Joker in this scene, but I was definately underwhelmed.  He just acted like a dick and served as a plot vehicle to get the Penguin to play ball with the government.  Okay, whatever.  Tobias Whale is still a great (new?) character, and the villains are being handled very well (but Two-Face and Joker are a bit shaky).  I&#8217;m more wait-and-see with Johnny Stitches; he reminds me too much of Jigsaw right now.  And while I haven&#8217;t read a lot of Tieri&#8217;s stuff, he&#8217;s still keeping the plot moving enough so I care what&#8217;s going on.  Plus, I like it when the mob is an actual threat in Gotham, so that makes this story work for me.  </p>
<p>And I agree that &#8220;Bruce Wayne is the mask&#8221; idea is played out, but I&#8217;m not really seeing that in this series.  He&#8217;s been Matches Malone for most of the series, right?  Whenever I read the caption boxes, I even hear him out as  Bruce Wayne: Detective, and not Batman: Asshole, and that says something. </p>
<p>Moving along, I got the latest Wonderwoman comic, and you&#8217;re review is pretty spot on.  Simone really captures Wonder Woman (or at least what I think Wonder Woman is about, I&#8217;m by far not a regular reader of this series), but man, it still didn&#8217;t do much for me.  I find it odd that Simone felt the need to bust out Nazis AND gorillas, which are half of DC&#8217;s staples right there.  Both elements seemed to have had little consequences to the conclusion.  I&#8217;m not angry I bought this arc, but I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll continue buying it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hoatzin</title>
		<link>http://www.4thletter.net/2008/02/weekly-reviews-021408/comment-page-1/#comment-17398</link>
		<dc:creator>Hoatzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bane was written as a kind of generic brainless thug in the first issue. Now he&#039;s up to his old tricks again, apparently trying to kill Batman, which still doesn&#039;t make any sense considering he hasn&#039;t been interested in that in years. Then again, Bane&#039;s characterization has been hilariously inconsistent since Infinite Crisis in the first place.

The plot hook itself is alright. It&#039;s nothing desperately original (War Games comes to mind) but a good writer can make it interesting. Bendis did a good job with it in Daredevil and to a lesser extent the recent Hood arc in New Avengers. The problem is that Tieri is just not a good writer. Why should I care about the plot if I don&#039;t care about any of the characters involved? They&#039;re just a bunch of boring, shallow assholes that all talk like mobsters in some third rate crime novel. I&#039;m not even getting into how terribly conceived that Johnny Stitches guy is. Not to mention how Batman himself is in &quot;Bruce Wayne is the mask&quot; mode which is just about the least interesting and least sympathetic way to write the character.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bane was written as a kind of generic brainless thug in the first issue. Now he&#8217;s up to his old tricks again, apparently trying to kill Batman, which still doesn&#8217;t make any sense considering he hasn&#8217;t been interested in that in years. Then again, Bane&#8217;s characterization has been hilariously inconsistent since Infinite Crisis in the first place.</p>
<p>The plot hook itself is alright. It&#8217;s nothing desperately original (War Games comes to mind) but a good writer can make it interesting. Bendis did a good job with it in Daredevil and to a lesser extent the recent Hood arc in New Avengers. The problem is that Tieri is just not a good writer. Why should I care about the plot if I don&#8217;t care about any of the characters involved? They&#8217;re just a bunch of boring, shallow assholes that all talk like mobsters in some third rate crime novel. I&#8217;m not even getting into how terribly conceived that Johnny Stitches guy is. Not to mention how Batman himself is in &#8220;Bruce Wayne is the mask&#8221; mode which is just about the least interesting and least sympathetic way to write the character.</p>
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		<title>By: Dane</title>
		<link>http://www.4thletter.net/2008/02/weekly-reviews-021408/comment-page-1/#comment-17396</link>
		<dc:creator>Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I&#039;m love the story of Gotham Underground so far.  There&#039;s always a few great moments in every issues.  You can feel the power structure of Gotham changing in real ways, and the Bat family is being utilized very well.  Course, I haven&#039;t read the latest one yet, but it&#039;s been great so far.  What is the writer retconning about Bane?  Did he write him badly in another series?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I&#8217;m love the story of Gotham Underground so far.  There&#8217;s always a few great moments in every issues.  You can feel the power structure of Gotham changing in real ways, and the Bat family is being utilized very well.  Course, I haven&#8217;t read the latest one yet, but it&#8217;s been great so far.  What is the writer retconning about Bane?  Did he write him badly in another series?</p>
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		<title>By: mack</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 02:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I now read Amazing Spidey with the voices from the old cartoons. Now he&#039;s back to &quot;oh gosh im gonna be late for MJ&quot; it&#039;s so fitting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I now read Amazing Spidey with the voices from the old cartoons. Now he&#8217;s back to &#8220;oh gosh im gonna be late for MJ&#8221; it&#8217;s so fitting.</p>
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