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	<title>Comments on: Black History Month &#8216;09 #20: It Ain&#8217;t Hard To Tell</title>
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		<title>By: West</title>
		<link>http://www.4thletter.net/2009/02/black-history-month-09-20-it-aint-hard-to-tell/comment-page-1/#comment-22381</link>
		<dc:creator>West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see where you&#039;re coming from.  I think believability and authenticity, when one is talking about the fiction is a function of both the knowledge of the writer and the ignorance of the readers.

The problem here is quite simple.  You&#039;re just not ignorant enough.*  :-D

The same is true when comics touch on matters of law or science.  Those with more knowledge of or interest in those areas, the science fiction causes science friction and the legal language feels legally lethargic.

Good convo, either way.  Thanks.





* - Or I am too ignorant.  I think the dialogue is less jarring for most, but maybe not.  I certainly haven&#039;t participated in any scientific sampling, lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see where you&#8217;re coming from.  I think believability and authenticity, when one is talking about the fiction is a function of both the knowledge of the writer and the ignorance of the readers.</p>
<p>The problem here is quite simple.  You&#8217;re just not ignorant enough.*  :-D</p>
<p>The same is true when comics touch on matters of law or science.  Those with more knowledge of or interest in those areas, the science fiction causes science friction and the legal language feels legally lethargic.</p>
<p>Good convo, either way.  Thanks.</p>
<p>* &#8211; Or I am too ignorant.  I think the dialogue is less jarring for most, but maybe not.  I certainly haven&#8217;t participated in any scientific sampling, lately.</p>
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		<title>By: david brothers</title>
		<link>http://www.4thletter.net/2009/02/black-history-month-09-20-it-aint-hard-to-tell/comment-page-1/#comment-22374</link>
		<dc:creator>david brothers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 06:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-22372&quot;&gt;West&lt;/a&gt;: Your point re: choice vs execution is a keen one, now that I&#039;ve thought about it. My issue is that I&#039;m very, very into dialogue.

I made it through all of Preacher, a book I don&#039;t particularly like very much, just off the strength of Garth Ennis&#039;s skill at writing characters. I could hear the rhythms and voices clearly, and that sort of thing fascinates me.

It&#039;s like ACK says-- screwing up when capturing a voice is jarring. While every reader is not necessarily good at writing dialogue, we all know how people talk. It&#039;s how we pick up on hints and cues and lies and double meanings. When I run into a character who isn&#039;t quite right, it&#039;s like hitting a speed bump at 60mph. There&#039;s a lurch, and then the bottom falls out of the whole works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-22372">West</a>: Your point re: choice vs execution is a keen one, now that I&#8217;ve thought about it. My issue is that I&#8217;m very, very into dialogue.</p>
<p>I made it through all of Preacher, a book I don&#8217;t particularly like very much, just off the strength of Garth Ennis&#8217;s skill at writing characters. I could hear the rhythms and voices clearly, and that sort of thing fascinates me.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like ACK says&#8211; screwing up when capturing a voice is jarring. While every reader is not necessarily good at writing dialogue, we all know how people talk. It&#8217;s how we pick up on hints and cues and lies and double meanings. When I run into a character who isn&#8217;t quite right, it&#8217;s like hitting a speed bump at 60mph. There&#8217;s a lurch, and then the bottom falls out of the whole works.</p>
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		<title>By: ACK</title>
		<link>http://www.4thletter.net/2009/02/black-history-month-09-20-it-aint-hard-to-tell/comment-page-1/#comment-22373</link>
		<dc:creator>ACK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 05:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mr Brothers - I think capturing voice authentically is one of the hardest things to do in writing, whether in novels or comics. You&#039;re so right that when it&#039;s not really done well it&#039;s jarring, and makes you not trust the writers that they actually have a character&#039;s interests in mind. Part of what makes an enjoyable read is a character who engages you, not just a story which has exciting events in it. It&#039;s like eating soup and consistently finding a marble in every bite. It&#039;s not just jarring, it&#039;s painful and you really shouldn&#039;t be trying to ingest THAT.

I think my least favorite example is another Latina - Tarantula in the Nightwing books. She spouted off &quot;vato&quot; and crap in such a haphazard and inauthentic manner that even if the character hadn&#039;t ended up being &#039;bad&#039; in so many ways, I would have disliked her for being a racial caricature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mr Brothers &#8211; I think capturing voice authentically is one of the hardest things to do in writing, whether in novels or comics. You&#8217;re so right that when it&#8217;s not really done well it&#8217;s jarring, and makes you not trust the writers that they actually have a character&#8217;s interests in mind. Part of what makes an enjoyable read is a character who engages you, not just a story which has exciting events in it. It&#8217;s like eating soup and consistently finding a marble in every bite. It&#8217;s not just jarring, it&#8217;s painful and you really shouldn&#8217;t be trying to ingest THAT.</p>
<p>I think my least favorite example is another Latina &#8211; Tarantula in the Nightwing books. She spouted off &#8220;vato&#8221; and crap in such a haphazard and inauthentic manner that even if the character hadn&#8217;t ended up being &#8216;bad&#8217; in so many ways, I would have disliked her for being a racial caricature.</p>
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		<title>By: West</title>
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		<dc:creator>West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 04:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valid choice.  Poor execution.  That&#039;s how.

I was reminded of this conversation, earlier, when I was reading some freeware literature, online.  It was apparently written by someone who speaks a Germanic language.  I noticed that s/he would occasionally substitute &quot;oder&quot; for &quot;or.&quot; There were other such Claremontian examples.

I don&#039;t know how much research he did, either.  I&#039;m not saying all the examples were great, but I don&#039;t feel their flaws were as bad as some think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valid choice.  Poor execution.  That&#8217;s how.</p>
<p>I was reminded of this conversation, earlier, when I was reading some freeware literature, online.  It was apparently written by someone who speaks a Germanic language.  I noticed that s/he would occasionally substitute &#8220;oder&#8221; for &#8220;or.&#8221; There were other such Claremontian examples.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how much research he did, either.  I&#8217;m not saying all the examples were great, but I don&#8217;t feel their flaws were as bad as some think.</p>
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		<title>By: Illvillainy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Illvillainy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s wrong how can it be valid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s wrong how can it be valid?</p>
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