Comments on: Zig-Zagging 2: The Case For Fan Outrage http://www.4thletter.net/2009/04/zig-zagging-2/ we like talking about comics, and hopefully you like reading us talking about comics. Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:13:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Jbird http://www.4thletter.net/2009/04/zig-zagging-2/comment-page-1/#comment-23477 Jbird Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:30:35 +0000 http://www.4thletter.net/?p=3003#comment-23477 Really it just matters that a good writer writes a good story. It is pretty much impossible to write a good story with Cassandra Cain and Jason Todd because the only way to do it would be to ignore most everything beforehand and no one with the brains to do that is dumb enough to agree to write those characters. Really it just matters that a good writer writes a good story. It is pretty much impossible to write a good story with Cassandra Cain and Jason Todd because the only way to do it would be to ignore most everything beforehand and no one with the brains to do that is dumb enough to agree to write those characters.

]]> By: Maddy http://www.4thletter.net/2009/04/zig-zagging-2/comment-page-1/#comment-23452 Maddy Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:56:03 +0000 http://www.4thletter.net/?p=3003#comment-23452 (Er, not that I would say she really shined all that much in the mini-series, but at least she was given a *chance*, even if the writer didn't quite pull it off IMO.) (Er, not that I would say she really shined all that much in the mini-series, but at least she was given a *chance*, even if the writer didn’t quite pull it off IMO.)

]]> By: Maddy http://www.4thletter.net/2009/04/zig-zagging-2/comment-page-1/#comment-23451 Maddy Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:46:30 +0000 http://www.4thletter.net/?p=3003#comment-23451 I think it would be interesting and more realistic if she was shown as now semi-literate and still struggling and learning. In the mini-series it was mentioned that she took ESL classes for a year and became literate along with Alfred's help. But there is no way she would be at the same level as other people her age who grew up reading and writing in school and out of it, and whose first language was English. She has learning disabilities, and even with the best help, it's not likely she would be completely up to speed with only a year's worth of study. There is potential to make things work, but if they take away the Batgirl mantle from her, I'm not sure she'll be given much of a chance to shine again any time soon. I think it would be interesting and more realistic if she was shown as now semi-literate and still struggling and learning. In the mini-series it was mentioned that she took ESL classes for a year and became literate along with Alfred’s help. But there is no way she would be at the same level as other people her age who grew up reading and writing in school and out of it, and whose first language was English.

She has learning disabilities, and even with the best help, it’s not likely she would be completely up to speed with only a year’s worth of study.

There is potential to make things work, but if they take away the Batgirl mantle from her, I’m not sure she’ll be given much of a chance to shine again any time soon.

]]> By: Esther Inglis-Arkell http://www.4thletter.net/2009/04/zig-zagging-2/comment-page-1/#comment-23443 Esther Inglis-Arkell Thu, 09 Apr 2009 03:02:14 +0000 http://www.4thletter.net/?p=3003#comment-23443 @<a href="#comment-23440">Stu</a>: Good question. I, personally, thought that she was more interesting with the learning disabilities that she had. Also, she got something pretty incredible in return, which was basically reading people's thoughts through their body language. The problem, though, was not that she could read or write. The problem was that she was written as though she could always read and write, even though she spent 70-something issues of her series illiterate. @Stu: Good question. I, personally, thought that she was more interesting with the learning disabilities that she had. Also, she got something pretty incredible in return, which was basically reading people’s thoughts through their body language.

The problem, though, was not that she could read or write. The problem was that she was written as though she could always read and write, even though she spent 70-something issues of her series illiterate.

]]> By: Stu http://www.4thletter.net/2009/04/zig-zagging-2/comment-page-1/#comment-23440 Stu Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:26:39 +0000 http://www.4thletter.net/?p=3003#comment-23440 The outrage at making her a killer I can agree with. But as a fan of Batgirl, the outrage at her learning to read and write I just don't get at one level. I mean, yeah, I think she's more interesting as a near-mute illiterate, but wouldn't it kinda logically follow that she would learn to develop those skills more, at least from the urging of the people who supposedly care about her? During her ongoing the subject came up at times and Babs getting angry at her for giving up her attempts to study caused a rift between them. Then when they reunited they made it clear that Cassandra COULD learn to read and overcome the mental difficulty. So why are so many fans seemingly upset that Cassandra Cain is getting an education, and becoming more confident in how she communicates with others? Do they not want the character to be happy? Do they not want her to develop in any way? The outrage at making her a killer I can agree with. But as a fan of Batgirl, the outrage at her learning to read and write I just don’t get at one level. I mean, yeah, I think she’s more interesting as a near-mute illiterate, but wouldn’t it kinda logically follow that she would learn to develop those skills more, at least from the urging of the people who supposedly care about her? During her ongoing the subject came up at times and Babs getting angry at her for giving up her attempts to study caused a rift between them. Then when they reunited they made it clear that Cassandra COULD learn to read and overcome the mental difficulty. So why are so many fans seemingly upset that Cassandra Cain is getting an education, and becoming more confident in how she communicates with others? Do they not want the character to be happy? Do they not want her to develop in any way?

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