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	<title>Comments on: Boobgate: Nine Days Later</title>
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		<title>By: Lugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-29611&quot;&gt;Niles Day&lt;/a&gt;: I understand. It&#039;s just that I think a hyperbolic response helps slam shut the ears of the people with the creative power. Instead of finger pointing, we should be having discussions. Coming at things like this with overt hostility won&#039;t do anything. I still think it&#039;s amazing that Van Meter responded at all, especially with such class. And explaining what she was trying to get at is incredible. Even if you disagree, 

Honestly, to erode these stereotypes? All we have to do is not be them, and slowly they will vanish. Veering in the absolute opposite direction will just be overcompensating, and reinforce them.

Is it just the costume, as well? What if Power Girl got a new costume, a well designed one that doesn&#039;t look like swim wear, but remained exactly the same otherwise. Would that be alright?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-29611">Niles Day</a>: I understand. It&#8217;s just that I think a hyperbolic response helps slam shut the ears of the people with the creative power. Instead of finger pointing, we should be having discussions. Coming at things like this with overt hostility won&#8217;t do anything. I still think it&#8217;s amazing that Van Meter responded at all, especially with such class. And explaining what she was trying to get at is incredible. Even if you disagree, </p>
<p>Honestly, to erode these stereotypes? All we have to do is not be them, and slowly they will vanish. Veering in the absolute opposite direction will just be overcompensating, and reinforce them.</p>
<p>Is it just the costume, as well? What if Power Girl got a new costume, a well designed one that doesn&#8217;t look like swim wear, but remained exactly the same otherwise. Would that be alright?</p>
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		<title>By: Inside Out &#187; Archive &#187; A Happier Note</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inside Out &#187; Archive &#187; A Happier Note</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you for doing more with one post to raise the level of discourse in the comics community than the whole blogosphere could manage in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Niles Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niles Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-29580&quot;&gt;Lugh&lt;/a&gt;: “Destructive comic” very measured response, not full of inflated, hyperbolic indignation at all

because of this comic, women can’t vote anymore.

When a piece of work that is purchased and taken in by thousands, perpetuates an incorrect mindset, regardless of how minimal that contribution may be, it is ultimately destructive. Anyone who writes superhero comix has to understand the context, why the status quo is as such, and what about the status quo is incorrect. Any girl or nonwhite kid will tell you that other than some brilliantly conceived iconic superheroes, they really don&#039;t look towards marvel and dc&#039;s pages for their heroes, because we aren&#039;t catered too. 
The industry has often reacted by patronizing; creating lifeless run-of-the-mill characters and then getting surprised why no one buys it. When the women who are supposed to be role models are absolutely impractically dressed, looking like Halloween&#039;s worst, it positions the man in power (the woman as unworthy of standing alongside if not above him because he isn&#039;t dressed to fight crime but to look good). It perpetuates the pornographic voyeur eye for guys, and furthers the gap of understanding between both sexes. There&#039;s a reason why the stereotype of the creepy comic book geek exists. Worst is when a comic like the one Esther pointed out tries to justify what is incorrect. 
You don&#039;t think such things as bad movies with gratuituous violence play their role, regardless of how small, in the general indifference one has towards their fellow man&#039;s suffering? So sure this comic didn&#039;t move the seas. Neither does a crappy song or stupid television show. But every little piece does its part to maintain problems as opposed to fixing them. Maybe you should&#039;ve measured your response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-29580">Lugh</a>: “Destructive comic” very measured response, not full of inflated, hyperbolic indignation at all</p>
<p>because of this comic, women can’t vote anymore.</p>
<p>When a piece of work that is purchased and taken in by thousands, perpetuates an incorrect mindset, regardless of how minimal that contribution may be, it is ultimately destructive. Anyone who writes superhero comix has to understand the context, why the status quo is as such, and what about the status quo is incorrect. Any girl or nonwhite kid will tell you that other than some brilliantly conceived iconic superheroes, they really don&#8217;t look towards marvel and dc&#8217;s pages for their heroes, because we aren&#8217;t catered too.<br />
The industry has often reacted by patronizing; creating lifeless run-of-the-mill characters and then getting surprised why no one buys it. When the women who are supposed to be role models are absolutely impractically dressed, looking like Halloween&#8217;s worst, it positions the man in power (the woman as unworthy of standing alongside if not above him because he isn&#8217;t dressed to fight crime but to look good). It perpetuates the pornographic voyeur eye for guys, and furthers the gap of understanding between both sexes. There&#8217;s a reason why the stereotype of the creepy comic book geek exists. Worst is when a comic like the one Esther pointed out tries to justify what is incorrect.<br />
You don&#8217;t think such things as bad movies with gratuituous violence play their role, regardless of how small, in the general indifference one has towards their fellow man&#8217;s suffering? So sure this comic didn&#8217;t move the seas. Neither does a crappy song or stupid television show. But every little piece does its part to maintain problems as opposed to fixing them. Maybe you should&#8217;ve measured your response.</p>
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		<title>By: david brothers</title>
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		<dc:creator>david brothers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-29580&quot;&gt;Lugh&lt;/a&gt;: Ann Nocenti got those letters, often and vigorously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-29580">Lugh</a>: Ann Nocenti got those letters, often and vigorously.</p>
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		<title>By: Crowley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen Van Meter is classy and filled with awesome.</description>
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