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	<title>Comments on: Someone is wrong on the internet, David.  And it&#8217;s you.  It&#8217;s you.</title>
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		<title>By: Panel of the Week 2/17/10 - Techland - TIME.com</title>
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		<description>[...] #70 A few of months ago there was a debate on the internets about superheros who kill. I come down squarely on the pro-kill side of the fence. As I&#039;ve [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Evil Abraham Lincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evil Abraham Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jason

She snapped his neck because he&#039;d found a way to mind-control someone who could juggle planets and kill you by flying to the moon and staring really hard in your direction (yeah, his eyes are that powerful.)  If Lord had been mind-controlling Batman or Cyborg, then the circumstances would have been different.  If she&#039;d taken the time to figure out a way to break Lord&#039;s hold on Superman, Lord&#039;s response would probably have been the same as mine: Have Superman fly upwards and past her limits (while exposing himself to a maximum level of sunlight), then rain down as many beams of heat vision as needed to kill WW.  Or, obviously, kill as many innocents as possible thereby forcing WW to take lethal measures to kill Superman to prevent him from &quot;murdering&quot; bystanders.  Either way, someone had to die in that scenario, and Maxwell Lord&#039;s death was far more palatable than having to deal with the grieving parents and/or children who would have been left behind from a potential Superman rampage.  Never mind the fact that Supes would never forgiven *himself* for being turned into a living space gun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jason</p>
<p>She snapped his neck because he&#8217;d found a way to mind-control someone who could juggle planets and kill you by flying to the moon and staring really hard in your direction (yeah, his eyes are that powerful.)  If Lord had been mind-controlling Batman or Cyborg, then the circumstances would have been different.  If she&#8217;d taken the time to figure out a way to break Lord&#8217;s hold on Superman, Lord&#8217;s response would probably have been the same as mine: Have Superman fly upwards and past her limits (while exposing himself to a maximum level of sunlight), then rain down as many beams of heat vision as needed to kill WW.  Or, obviously, kill as many innocents as possible thereby forcing WW to take lethal measures to kill Superman to prevent him from &#8220;murdering&#8221; bystanders.  Either way, someone had to die in that scenario, and Maxwell Lord&#8217;s death was far more palatable than having to deal with the grieving parents and/or children who would have been left behind from a potential Superman rampage.  Never mind the fact that Supes would never forgiven *himself* for being turned into a living space gun.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esther, you write, &quot;I think we need to rid ourselves, once and for all, of the idea that all of society’s problems can be solved with more violence.&quot;

I think it&#039;s more true that we need to discard the idea that all of society&#039;s problems can be solved, &lt;i&gt;PERIOD&lt;/i&gt;.

Even non-violent utopianism is still utopianism, and it is dangerous because it is unrealistic.

Otherwise, a very good essay, with which I largely agree.  Your solution of lighter villains is already present in most cartoon adaptations of mainstream superhero comics, including Batman: The Brave and the Bold and -- probably the height of the genre -- Batman: The Animated Series.

I suspect that these shows will have longer legs than the current print incarnations of many of the same heroes, that they&#039;ll be enjoyed by kids and even adults years from now, in part because the premises for their clearly fictional universes are more internally coherent.

That makes me wonder what will be the long view on Batman Beyond: The Return of the Joker.  It&#039;s the clearest exception to this trend, where the villain went really dark, really quick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esther, you write, &#8220;I think we need to rid ourselves, once and for all, of the idea that all of society’s problems can be solved with more violence.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s more true that we need to discard the idea that all of society&#8217;s problems can be solved, <i>PERIOD</i>.</p>
<p>Even non-violent utopianism is still utopianism, and it is dangerous because it is unrealistic.</p>
<p>Otherwise, a very good essay, with which I largely agree.  Your solution of lighter villains is already present in most cartoon adaptations of mainstream superhero comics, including Batman: The Brave and the Bold and &#8212; probably the height of the genre &#8212; Batman: The Animated Series.</p>
<p>I suspect that these shows will have longer legs than the current print incarnations of many of the same heroes, that they&#8217;ll be enjoyed by kids and even adults years from now, in part because the premises for their clearly fictional universes are more internally coherent.</p>
<p>That makes me wonder what will be the long view on Batman Beyond: The Return of the Joker.  It&#8217;s the clearest exception to this trend, where the villain went really dark, really quick.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually WOnder Woman snapped his neck as soon as he told her that was the only way to stop him from controlling Superman.  I think that&#039;s an instance where the lasso of truth was a little to limited.  Yes, that was a way it could happen.  I bet they could have also trapped him in the Phantom Zone or lobotomized him</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually WOnder Woman snapped his neck as soon as he told her that was the only way to stop him from controlling Superman.  I think that&#8217;s an instance where the lasso of truth was a little to limited.  Yes, that was a way it could happen.  I bet they could have also trapped him in the Phantom Zone or lobotomized him</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-28374&quot;&gt;david brothers&lt;/a&gt;: When has Batman ever felt ashamed of himself?

also just a completely random thought:  I liked how both times Rucka had WW violently kill a villain, it was on live television.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a class="atr_link" href="#comment-28374">david brothers</a>: When has Batman ever felt ashamed of himself?</p>
<p>also just a completely random thought:  I liked how both times Rucka had WW violently kill a villain, it was on live television.</p>
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